====> Posted to the PDF discussion list, hosted by The PDFzone <= Nathan,

Just in case you haven't already discovered this, when you "re-fry" a
PDF that has security set, the security is deleted and the new PDF is
"open". But if the source PDF has bookmarks, they are deleted too and
don't appear in the 2nd gen. PDF. Might've been my disrtiller
settings, though. Win some, lose some. (BTW, whose terminology IS
"refry", anyway?)

Re your question, I'm not sure I understand what it is you want to know.
Why does - what - work part of the time? The ability to refry? File
size reduction? No loss of apostrophes or commas?

Also, please explain what you mean by "illegal". What law is it that
says so? I didn't see anything in Adobe's license agreement (yeah, I
actually read it) about how you can use the software on your own
machine. You can't re-engineer it to uncover the code, you can't put it
on two machines, etc., but nothing about how you can use it. While I
would support a statement from Adobe that they don't support this
procedure and if anything goes wrong they're not responsible, I'd be
really surprised if there is any law giving them the right to tell us
that we're not allowed print a PDF to a PS and then re-distill.
Especially since they included that capability in the software. Sounds
like tech support has been told to say that because Adobe either doesn't
want to or cannot "officially" support it.

Who cares if they support it or not? Adobe told me they didn't
support FM5.1.2 on NT4, but it worked fine. Not just for me, lots of
Framers reported on the framers email list that it worked fine for them
too. Then I found out that Adobe knew it worked fine but they just
couldn't SAY they supported it becuase it wasn't on some list of NT4
supported apps at - you guessed it - Microsoft. And I'll keep what I'm
thinking about MS and honesty to myself.

There's a lot of s/w out there that "isn't officially supposed to be
able to do xxxx" but it does. The capability was built in by the
developers and it works fine, but then some Marketeer decides that they
should not support it because it'll cost more money or some such excuse.
So the company's policy becomes "we don't support that", no matter
whether the s/w does or not. BTW, this is my first-hand experience at
companies I've worked for.

-dg

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From: Nathan Keller [SMTP:NATHANK@CGF.ORG]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 1998 5:59 PM
To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com
Cc: acrobat@blueworld.com
Subject: [PDF] "Re-frying" pdfs


====> Posted to the PDF discussion list, hosted by The PDFzone
<= True Confession:

We re-fry PDFs. This is against the law...Adobe's law. We scan a
file with
Capture. Correct it in Capture Reviewer and save as a PDF. Open
it in
Exchange and print to file saving as a post script file
(printing to PS 5
print driver in Win NT and 4.1 in Windows distiller ppd). Then
we brazenly
open the file in Distiller and save as PDF. This is referred to
as
"re-frying a PDF." It is an unsupported "illegal" procedure.
After seeking
help from a variety of sources including Adobe themselves, we
were
encouraged to stop however, we can't. File sizes are decreased
20 to 40%
when we re-fry. Re-frying works more than 50% of the time
without a loss of
apostrophes or commas.

Why does it work part of the time and not all the time? Please
no
theorizing. Full and knowledgeable answers only.

If it works sometimes (and it does), then why can't we reduce
(edit) our
document to those parameters (those font types, those font
sizes) of those
files which do pass? Why is it that the files which do work do
not seem to
have similar characteristics of other files?

I know there is a programmer out there who posses the knowledge
that I
seek...please share!


Nathan Keller
Technical Support
Career Guidance Foundation
nathank@cgf.org
(800) 854-2670
http://www.collegesource.org



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